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[top-politics] Re: Parlement Version 0.9
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21/11/06 23:29
Hey Emmanuel!
As long as my personal interest is to use first software that is not being rude to minorities and in the same time enables TOP communication without off topic, spam and similar stuff, I have to ask you can you give me a rough estimate when are you going to start working on electoral lists?
We have discussed several times about it, I believe you do understand my concern and need for some exact data as long as time is passing away and nothing happens in this field.
ATB,
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22/11/06 12:24
On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 11:39:36PM +0100, illegale wrote:
As long as my personal interest is to use first software that is notbeing rude to minorities and in the same time enables TOP communicationwithout off topic, spam and similar stuff, I have to ask you can yougive me a rough estimate when are you going to start working onelectoral lists?We have discussed several times about it, I believe you do understandmy concern and need for some exact data as long as time is passing awayand nothing happens in this field.
Electoral lists are not really useful right now.They will be as the number of participants grow, and the signal/ratio of moderation itself decrease. They are a kind of meta moderation.
Do you need that right now? How many participants do you envision if you started using parlement? How long for that number to reach beyond the hundreds?
Do you envision another use for electoral lists, which I’ve forgotten about?
Parlement is not used much right now. So I would rather concentrate on simpler features which will be directly useful. For example, a moderated mailing list will allow more people to subscribe and vote, yet only see the posts deemed worthy by a number of other participants.
echarp – http://leparlement.org
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22/11/06 15:37
echarp wrote:
On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 11:39:36PM +0100, illegale wrote:Electoral lists are not really useful right now.They will be as the number of participants grow, and the signal/ratio ofmoderation itself decrease. They are a kind of meta moderation.Do you need that right now? How many participants do you envision if youstarted using parlement? How long for that number to reach beyond thehundreds?
Let me explain a little bit better what I find important in ELs.Regular software with filters is based on ONE dominant view only. The example is slashdot where your quality is being directly quantitized. In that moment much of the info is being lost as long as for you and your set of values might not be the same as mine, so quantification method can go good for only one of us. Not both of us.
This all means that some “majority” is molesting minorities at such sites.
What I see that EL offer is bottom-up hierarchies of info flow without some majority merits in between. Same thing as when you use p2p and you see that someone listen the same music you like. You wont look at top40 lists to find things you like, but you will look at the people/proxies that fit you the best.
In this way, the info flow/communication process is being highly optimized and no-one can feel bad about it, but quiet contrary. You have free communication tool. Such thing is not existent in slashdot, nor any software that is based on direct quantification of quality (filters we have right now at parlement are working in this way).
In politics, this is highly important as long as such software offers easy legitimation and grouping based on free bottom-up hierarchies with highly optimized info flow. This might attract others much more likely than software where you by default have to obey to some virtual majority, or better to say ownership of such tool (slashdot is constantly adopting new karmic quantification methods that owners see proper, aka put subjective feeling before objectiveness).
Now. What I am looking for right now? In this very moment, there is site called www.pollitika.com where blogger Mrak gathered more than 20 other bloggers who write about Croatian politics. Yet, some of these members see an urge to adopt not just blogs, but other communication tools (forum the most important, wiki, etc.) in order of creating one strong attractor of politically constructive people.
I would like them to offer such tool that can optimize communication flow better than todays software solutions and I believe that EL would be just that. All in all, there is an existing gravity that we might eventually use for further growth and if things would work fine, we might even succeed.
As long as this new approach of heterarchical filtering is up to my knowledge not existing in this very moment, there might be some difficulties that we are not aware of. Sooner we start working on that, sooner we will be in position to solve bugs ad offer effective software.
Of course, this is how I see this thing, it might be I misinterpreted some things, or did not take in consideration but had to.
Do you envision another use for electoral lists, which I’ve forgottenabout?
Did I?
Parlement is not used much right now. So I would rather concentrate onsimpler features which will be directly useful. For example, a moderatedmailing list will allow more people to subscribe and vote, yet onlysee the posts deemed worthy by a number of other participants.
How I understand parlement is that in this very time it does not offer some attractive new thing. It has good fundamental base that allows heterarchies and disables power of admin which is essential. Yet, this part is not product for wider circle of consumers.
ATB,
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22/11/06 15:37
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22/11/06 12:24