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[top-politics] Re: Definition of TOP - Systematization
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Dear Emmanuel
On Tuesday 10 October 2006 18:41, echarp wrote:
> > > What are the results? Decisions? Are they copyrighted or protected from > > > reuse in any manner? (if they are, yes, the right to reuse could be > > > somehow important) > > > > Project documentation, laws, organizational procedures, software etc. > > etc. etc. etc. They are protected under a GPL-like licence (e.g. TOP > > licence) which assures that the result of such reuse is TOP again > > (“closing inside openness”). > > OK then, it’s not just the right to speak, you want freedom of > expression! > > And yes, copyrights can be a limitation to such a freedom, the copyleft > concept is really great to fight against it! What about simply using it > then?
Because it’s not 100% compatible to political projects.
> > > > > > (Free Software and Open Source I’m very knowledgeable about, but > > > > > these are not democratic things!!!) > > > > > > > > Why do you thing so sadly? > > > > > > I don’t think that I do. I try to be realist, and democracy is merely a > > > tool and a point of view, it is not synonymous with everything good in > > > this world! > > > > I agree, but why do you think that OpenSource is not democratic? > > Where do you see any relationship between the two??? I don’t!
I do.
> > Any reference to democracy in the GPL or the OSI?
No, I didn’t say OpenSource is democracy but OpenSource is democratic.
> > Free Software is in parts a reaction to lengthy copyrights and the > property-risation of code which previously was contributed by a > community of sharing users.
OK
> > > > A democratic decision can have very bad consequences. A democratic > > > country could behave very badly. Democracy is no panacea. It’s just one > > > of the least infringing ethically. > > > > This has absolutely nothing to do with the question I asked you. > > I’m sure you agree with me expressing my opinions ;) >
Of course.
> Your question could lead to an interpretation which associates democracy > to everything that is good.
Well sorry if you got me wrong.
> > “Are wiki democratic? Of course! Is ecology? Yes necessarily! What about > fashion? Great! And astronomy? Hey, raise your eyes it’s everybody’s, > thus it must be democratic!!!” > > The internet is not democratic! :) > > Democracy is a concept generally used when there are matters of > decision making, and most of the time of votes and equality. > > Free Softwares are not democratic. Linus Thorvald himself agrees to > being a benevolent dictator. Herding cats but none the less the ultimate > decider!
We have a nice saying in Croatia, “Pametniji popušta” :-D
> > echarp – proud wearer of a great angina, yeah… :(
Sorry to hear that, hopes you’ll get better soon ;-)
Best regards
— Markus Schatten, dipl. inf.
e-mail: markus.schatten@foi.hr
http://www.tiaktiv.hr
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> > And yes, copyrights can be a limitation to such a freedom, the copyleft > > concept is really great to fight against it! What about simply using it > > then? > > Because it’s not 100% compatible to political projects.
Isn’t copyleft just a concept? What else but copyrights would you want to protect against?
> > > I agree, but why do you think that OpenSource is not democratic? > > > > Where do you see any relationship between the two??? I don’t! > > I do.
Please elaborate. Me I’m mostly relying on this kind of definition of democracy
> We have a nice saying in Croatia, “Pametniji popušta” :-D
???
> > echarp – proud wearer of a great angina, yeah… :( > > Sorry to hear that, hopes you’ll get better soon ;-)
Already feeling better. And sucking sweeties all day long :(
echarp – http://leparlement.org
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