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[top-politics] Re: How to improve communication on the list?
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25/07/07 01:12
Re Cyber Discuss & Decide
It seems to me we are fragmented. Discuss on le Parlement? How many discuss on Bulletin Board? Email lists loose subjects so that is not good. I like WDDM Forum, however it seems people do not bother to log in. If a group exists, the people “hash out” talk things over, and from that come up with ideas for improvement of the group. (community, government, country, family etc.)
Than they present the idea to the group, who further discuss, modify it and perhaps agree on the final outcome.
Could we do this on leParlement, by introducing a topic (such as this) and than people respond their ideas directly to this topic? Than as we come to final outcome(s) they could be put in a separate topic and voted upon?
Please respond directly to this post, so we can build ideas and resolutions like we were just discussing this in the “neighborhood”. Bruce
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I agree, we are fragmented and not very focused.
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 01:13:02AM +0200, anon wrote:
> It seems to me we are fragmented. Discuss on le Parlement? How many discuss on
> Bulletin Board? Email lists loose subjects so that is not good. I like WDDM
> Forum, however it seems people do not bother to log in. If a group exists, the
> people “hash out” talk things over, and from that come up with ideas for
> improvement of the group. (community, government, country, family etc.)Parlement is a mix of web forum and mailing list, so theoretically, it
could share both its flaws, or its advantages.As far as I’m concerned, I prefer email, I’ve got nice tools to manage
them, they are fast and practical.Web forums are just a good way to start on things, but it’s almost
necessary for many many on the web nowadays!And there are RSS feeds so that data can be aggregated. You can see all
of parlement on google now.> Than they present the idea to the group, who further discuss, modify it and
> perhaps agree on the final outcome.Definitely.
> Could we do this on leParlement, by introducing a topic (such as this) and than
> people respond their ideas directly to this topic? Than as we come to final
> outcome(s) they could be put in a separate topic and voted upon?The notion of “separate topic” is not built in parlement, but you could
definitely just create a new topic once you consider it appropriate.> Please respond directly to this post, so we can build ideas and resolutions
> like we were just discussing this in the “neighborhood”. Bruce+1
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Here is my draft outline:
WORLD GOVERNMENT INFRASTRUCTUREWORLD = ALL human people.
Every human person living on this World, is a World Citizen.
It is bit difficult, but we must develop a method so all World Citizens can run “The World”.
I suggest a World Clearing House (for lack of better term) where everyone is entitled to Initiate a proposal. The Initiator must gather “signatures” for the proposal. This will likely help develop citizens assembly’s. The World Clearinghouse will notify each Country and all concerned of proposed Initiatives.
Much of the new software being developed with electronic + / – votes will be useful in local assemblies. They will need a method to discuss these matters and choose to agree with the Imitative or not. Of course others will also advocate or criticize the Initiative, that is healthy debate.I suggest 2 million signatures to start, this can be increased / decreased as seen necessary.
The Initiative once adopted would go to a Referendum. Most Country’s have a method to vote, and this could be added to their election. The UN could conduct the Election if a Country did not have an election method. Each Country would tally the vote by actual count and submit to the World Clearing House. A World Omnibus person or agency will also be installed at the World Clearinghouse, and will coordinate the Initiative / Referendum Process for the People.
The decisions of the people will be directives, which need to be accomplished.
There will be an elected World Administrative Group, the people will evaluate and approve/deny the infrastructure after the Group develops it. The World Administrative Group will process and delegate the work to accomplish these directives. The World Administrative Group will provide data and audits to show the directive is accomplished or in process. These accounts will be published and sent to all Country’s, and published on the World Website. The World Administrative Group will be responsible for managing the agency’s needed such as health, education, welfare, emergency event resources, security and judicial services.First Initiatives need to be short and will be of a testing manner until the process is running smooth.
Regards, Bruce
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WEll here is an idea… How about we write a World Constitution? We look at the initial outline, and fix that up first.
Than, we can divide it up into preamble, jurisdiction, infrastructure etc.
Anyone on to it?
Bruce
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Nw echarp suggests we could do this a bit. Utilize email list etc. But we must post only to the matter being presented.
Perhaps we could have this a PRE-initiative and have it set up a bit different than the Initiative which demands vote or comment, but not repeated comments from diffferent people.
I am testing my idea a bit here. Please jump in and comment.
Bruce
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Now we have a “topic” to discuss here. We need to write this out so new people understand how to begin discussion. Anything could be used to begin, than all can answer that topic directly.
Perhaps we have been to focused on “Initiative” and not discussing the Topic fully before any Initiative “matures”.
I believe we can discuss things right here.
One of the things which I am concerned about is that there are few country’s which have the process which allows the people to initiate and decide anything. The lsParlement decission process is useless until the decissions can be applied and enforced.Outside of Swiss, I do not know of anyone with Initiative (including recall) and BINDING Referendum. The BINDING part makes the peoples enforcement by Referendum absolute. They make law, change constitution, recall elected officials etc.
So how can we begin a topic on I&R which could lead to people developing ways to initiate I&R in their country? We need ideas of how to begin. Should a page be made describing the necessary wording? Who would write that? Could we ask for volunteers or recruit someone? Who? We need a beginning.
How can we recruit the people necessary to sign a petition to accomplish this?
Do we need a website for each country with leParlement on it so people can be recruited to that country’s petition?
Where would such a server be? Who would pay for it? Do we need to find financial assistance first? This should not be “government” sponsored, because than they want to “control” it and that is the dam problem. WE want to control it….
I believe we must have a totally peoples group, who decide what the people want and than using I&R demand it of their government.
Whatcha think? Bruce
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